Who can enforce it. So much of our democratic experiment requires people to believe in it and by doing so act appropriately for the common good. Musk operates on the common greed that he and his mobsters believe in.
That’s the question that needs addressed. If the charges are federal then the federal courts need to decide his fate. If at the state level it should be decided by the state courts. Why isn’t this happening? They deported the young man easily enough.
We're losing the fight. I'm afraid we're at the point of a revolution. The only problem is most Democrats don't want to disturb others. Talking, negotiating, etc. doesn't work with the MAGA's. They're determined to take the USA to Authoritarian rule. It's nuts! Do all these people expect to have a seat in the boardroom just because they rooted for the Orange Grifter.
Even though he's an awful human being, I would encourage us to not use dehumanizing terms ("illegal alien" and "it") that are not appropriate for use with people we support, so shouldn't be okay to use for him. And I hate that I sound like I'm defending him, because I'm not. In general, I'm okay with piece of shit or POS. 😉
Please refer to him as a white South African. It is more accurate. Yes, we can arrest him, and I fully expect that at some time it will happen. In the meantime, let's keep our heads and get involved with one of the many groups who are actively trying to preserve our democracy.
Or for accessing private information of the citizenry. Or evading punishment by firing the departments and officials who are investigating his business dealings in and outside of our government. Or…or…or…
The Wisconsin race is proof that there’s some level of electoral accountability left in our system…I’m only hoping that the MAGA right is too incompetent to fully corrupt our election infrastructure and stay in power forever.
I, too, hope the A.G. of Wisconsin will charge Musk with a felony. IMO it is highly unlikely that there will be a referral to the DOJ, much less any federal charges will be made. Remember, Pam Bondi refuses to allow any charges to be brought for SignalGate, and that was far worse than Musk's bribery.
Because those who have the power to do something aren't. So much for our system of checks & balances. The founding fathers must be turning in their graves.
Well,the question for you is: are you involved with one of the many groups who are working locally to resist (peacefully, because that is the only kind of resistance that works). If there isn't one, you can create one. Indivisible.org is set up to help guide you through the process. WE as individuals working together have a great deal of power. Please note that the people of Wisconsin just elected a Supreme Court justice over the guy that Musk was trying to buy votes for, and they did it by working together.
It was definitely a great win to have on the books. It shows that people care about democracy. It just needs to be amplified across 49 other states and DC to lock it in.
It's great that this time millions of votes were not able to be thrown out uncounted! (8+million votes tossed out & not counted nationwide last Nov....that we know of!)
Actually one of the few things that may be worse would be to remind a wealthy person, gently, that they are in fact going to die. Someday.
And I remember there was a flyer going around New York City back in the 80s and it basically suggested that whenever you crossed paths with a wealthy person, just gently and politely remind them that they were going to die.
My feeling is that it is time to go after Jeff Bezos and quit Amazon and Washington Post. He is ruining the WP and Amazon is bad in so many ways. What other companies does he own?
I have been following you for years. Right now, I can’t afford to donate since I am retired after a broken neck and shoulder. I am a former attorney and teacher - would love to assist you in any way possible. I admire your integrity, tenacity and curiosity— your ability to counter the felon and the muskrat evidences an understanding that $ cannot buy class, honesty or long lasting peace and power.
Thank you for your advocacy and dedication to the truth.
Trump is rambling on and on and on. It is going to be so great. He’s going to fix all the problems of America like you never seen before people are going to bring money into the country
He blamed Joe Biden for the debt.
Apparently, if he hadn’t saved things, you would’ve had “no jobs in this country”. Apparently we got lucky.
Donald Trump Built a National Debt So Big (Even Before the Pandemic) That It'll Weigh Down the Economy for Years
by Allan Sloan, ProPublica, and Cezary Podkul for ProPublica, Jan. 14, 2021, 5 a.m. EST
The national debt has risen by almost $7.8 trillion during Trump's time in office.
Right. Trump increased the national debt 33% in 4 years, from $24T to $32T. People lost their minds about Biden increasing it about $4T, but at least he was trying to do something with that increase, not just give it away to corps and the biggest campaign donors, ahem, I mean the wealthiest folks.
He finally got to tax cuts “the big tax cuts” He’s not gonna cut Medicare Medicaid or Social Security. If the Democrats got in they would’ve cut all of them because the country was heading for a crash. By the way, permanent tax cuts. One big bill if we get this past, it will be the most incredible bill ever passed by Congress I kept spending.
I've never considered the situation futile, just really difficult, not to mention disheartening.
The momentum is starting to change. Now, everyone needs to take to the streets (peacefully!) and push their representatives into action.
Protect the right to vote, help those who need it to register and obtain the proper ID to do so, and call your Senators and Representatives repeatedly and let them know YOU VOTE.
What also the WI show unequivocally is that the Elno brand is super-toxic, and the negativity of his very presence on campaign trails outweighs the tens of millions of dollars he easily can drop on any one election. Sure, he goes in front of CPAC, and everybody swoons, but get the cockbite in front of an actual cross-section of the voters, and he sucks like a Dyson.
Question is, will the WH toss him now, or use the face-saving "130-day" special appointment rule to ease him out next month? Whatever, he gone.
He may even be the cause for the loss. If he hadn't make himself the center figure in this election people might not have even noticed what was going on. But he opened his big mouth and the voters said no!
The three dots on the right-hand side of one's post are your friend...click on them and an <edit> option pops up, and allows one to correct spelling, etc.
The “Edit” option, is only there for you to use, on your own post. You can’t edit someone else’s. Otherwise, commenting would become useless, because people could change the whole context and meaning of your post.
The “Edit” option, is only there for you to use, on your own post. You can’t edit someone else’s. Otherwise, commenting would become useless, because people could change the whole context and meaning of your post.
So glad about Wisconsin. Musk needs to go, as everyone in the current administration. What the fat old man is doing is destroying democracy and trying to become a dictator.
I’m an 84 year old great grandmother, and due to this regime in Washington, I use that word. It’s the only thing that’s strong enough to express my feelings.
It is a breath of fresh air to think of what this moment means. So grateful to you and others who are providing real journalism to allow us to navigate this uncharted territory of constitutional crisis. Thank you!
I am a resident of northern Wisconsin. I went door to door for Susan Crawford and I will become more active in the days just ahead. All commentators on this win for a Progressive candidate mention abortion rights and other nationally important issues. What matters most to me is that the voters of Wisconsin stated via this election, that we want Wisconsin for Wisconsinites. We have a lot of rural poverty, drug problems and never ending issues with how we pay for public school education. We have pressing natural resource needs due to climate change and chronic wasting disease in deer. You need to understand just how bad the gerrymandering was in this state. It actually happens that a democratic candidate gets the most votes, and he is prevented by gerrymandering from being duly installed. We were the worst gerrymandered state in the union. Time and time again, when Wisconsinites are surveyed, they want public schools, not vouchers for private schools. They want repaired infrastructure. They want a host of progressive reforms. Heck we have elected a Democratic governor twice in recent years. The republican controlled legislature only wants to focus on national maga issues like immigration and nonexistent voter fraud, and then behave hatefully and punitively towards anyone who is progressive or liberal. they have treated the governor shamefully. I absolutely hated the interference of that Musk in our affairs, and I am so elated that it didn't work.
Forward! is our state motto, and boy are we gearing up to do just that. robyn tonkin
Why isn’t Musk arrested for buying an election?
Who can enforce it. So much of our democratic experiment requires people to believe in it and by doing so act appropriately for the common good. Musk operates on the common greed that he and his mobsters believe in.
I agree with you at the federal level - they aren’t enforcing shit. But you would think maybe at the state level?
That’s the question that needs addressed. If the charges are federal then the federal courts need to decide his fate. If at the state level it should be decided by the state courts. Why isn’t this happening? They deported the young man easily enough.
Well, kidnapping by hoodlums is a done deal where the fuck is Newsom on this??
I think the Democrats are struck dumb, which is fucked up
The state should enforce it. It's clearly a case of bribery.
I thought that is what citizens arrest and having guns was for.
No, there must be guidelines set in place for who enforces what if not, then this is fucked up
We're losing the fight. I'm afraid we're at the point of a revolution. The only problem is most Democrats don't want to disturb others. Talking, negotiating, etc. doesn't work with the MAGA's. They're determined to take the USA to Authoritarian rule. It's nuts! Do all these people expect to have a seat in the boardroom just because they rooted for the Orange Grifter.
Well, then we are well and truly (ᗒᗣᗕ)՞up.
All over the country, people are showing up to tell Musk/Trump to shove it.
Democracy is NOT a spectator sport.
💥💥💥 DONT MISS THIS!!! “Hands Off” 🧨🧨🧨
🙋♂️🙋♀️🙋♂️ Gigantic nationwide demonstration! 🙋♂️🙋♀️🙋♂️
Saturday April 5 National “Hands Off” Day of Action
on the National Mall and 657 local demonstrations
Click this link to find a “Hands Off” demonstration near you.
https://handsoff2025.com/
Thank you so much for this
Going!
Thank you Brian
Thanks for asking,Rose. I’ve been wondering how “they” get away with it.
It's an illegal African alien! Can We even arrest it?!?
Deport him to that Venezuelan jail with no recourse to come back here.
It’s the El Salvadori in jail, big difference
That works too.
Even though he's an awful human being, I would encourage us to not use dehumanizing terms ("illegal alien" and "it") that are not appropriate for use with people we support, so shouldn't be okay to use for him. And I hate that I sound like I'm defending him, because I'm not. In general, I'm okay with piece of shit or POS. 😉
And Teryl, the jail is in El Salvador.
Please refer to him as a white South African. It is more accurate. Yes, we can arrest him, and I fully expect that at some time it will happen. In the meantime, let's keep our heads and get involved with one of the many groups who are actively trying to preserve our democracy.
And we need to pull Citizens United back and beat it to death.
Or for accessing private information of the citizenry. Or evading punishment by firing the departments and officials who are investigating his business dealings in and outside of our government. Or…or…or…
The Wisconsin race is proof that there’s some level of electoral accountability left in our system…I’m only hoping that the MAGA right is too incompetent to fully corrupt our election infrastructure and stay in power forever.
Because of Republicans passing “Citizens United”. We must get rid of that to prevent buying votes.
I agree, I’d like to know the answer to your question also!!
Citizens United was pushed through by Republicans
I, too, hope the A.G. of Wisconsin will charge Musk with a felony. IMO it is highly unlikely that there will be a referral to the DOJ, much less any federal charges will be made. Remember, Pam Bondi refuses to allow any charges to be brought for SignalGate, and that was far worse than Musk's bribery.
Because those who have the power to do something aren't. So much for our system of checks & balances. The founding fathers must be turning in their graves.
Well,the question for you is: are you involved with one of the many groups who are working locally to resist (peacefully, because that is the only kind of resistance that works). If there isn't one, you can create one. Indivisible.org is set up to help guide you through the process. WE as individuals working together have a great deal of power. Please note that the people of Wisconsin just elected a Supreme Court justice over the guy that Musk was trying to buy votes for, and they did it by working together.
I am plagued with health issues right now but do what I can to financially support the organizations that are resisting Trump & Musk.
I'm sure our Attorney General here in Wisconsin is looking into this matter; but as is all things it takes time, money and resources.
Good question!
Why aren't all of them, including trump, being arrested? Insider trading, totally ignoring court orders, etc etc
Because that’s not part of the plan you’re thinking rationally which is your mistake there’s a plan it’s called project 2025 read all about it
He’s not arrested because he bought the head of the FBI
It was definitely a great win to have on the books. It shows that people care about democracy. It just needs to be amplified across 49 other states and DC to lock it in.
It's great that this time millions of votes were not able to be thrown out uncounted! (8+million votes tossed out & not counted nationwide last Nov....that we know of!)
The worst thing a wealthy person can be made aware of, is that the little guy, that's us, are the ones who make them their money.
Without our money Musk is nothing, the Kochs are nothing.
We can pull our money from their businesses, their Social Media platforms and their projects. We can see what losing Tesla stock feels like...
Actually one of the few things that may be worse would be to remind a wealthy person, gently, that they are in fact going to die. Someday.
And I remember there was a flyer going around New York City back in the 80s and it basically suggested that whenever you crossed paths with a wealthy person, just gently and politely remind them that they were going to die.
Keeping us poor and ignorant is a good way to control us.
I may be poor, but am far from ignorant. (Unless you count electronics, like my stupid cellphone!)
LOL😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
My feeling is that it is time to go after Jeff Bezos and quit Amazon and Washington Post. He is ruining the WP and Amazon is bad in so many ways. What other companies does he own?
Hard to do, having fired many 1,000s of gov't employees!
Not everybody is for sale 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💙💙💙💙
I will be happy to see musk take off to space and never return!
AMEN DEMOCRACY PREVAILS
I have been following you for years. Right now, I can’t afford to donate since I am retired after a broken neck and shoulder. I am a former attorney and teacher - would love to assist you in any way possible. I admire your integrity, tenacity and curiosity— your ability to counter the felon and the muskrat evidences an understanding that $ cannot buy class, honesty or long lasting peace and power.
Thank you for your advocacy and dedication to the truth.
I agree he's pretty incredible!
Trump is rambling on and on and on. It is going to be so great. He’s going to fix all the problems of America like you never seen before people are going to bring money into the country
He blamed Joe Biden for the debt.
Apparently, if he hadn’t saved things, you would’ve had “no jobs in this country”. Apparently we got lucky.
Donald Trump Built a National Debt So Big (Even Before the Pandemic) That It'll Weigh Down the Economy for Years
by Allan Sloan, ProPublica, and Cezary Podkul for ProPublica, Jan. 14, 2021, 5 a.m. EST
The national debt has risen by almost $7.8 trillion during Trump's time in office.
Right. Trump increased the national debt 33% in 4 years, from $24T to $32T. People lost their minds about Biden increasing it about $4T, but at least he was trying to do something with that increase, not just give it away to corps and the biggest campaign donors, ahem, I mean the wealthiest folks.
He finally got to tax cuts “the big tax cuts” He’s not gonna cut Medicare Medicaid or Social Security. If the Democrats got in they would’ve cut all of them because the country was heading for a crash. By the way, permanent tax cuts. One big bill if we get this past, it will be the most incredible bill ever passed by Congress I kept spending.
Kudos to all the patient and tough grassroots organizing to get this win! And at such a crucial time. We can’t go back!
Great News!!
I've never considered the situation futile, just really difficult, not to mention disheartening.
The momentum is starting to change. Now, everyone needs to take to the streets (peacefully!) and push their representatives into action.
Protect the right to vote, help those who need it to register and obtain the proper ID to do so, and call your Senators and Representatives repeatedly and let them know YOU VOTE.
What also the WI show unequivocally is that the Elno brand is super-toxic, and the negativity of his very presence on campaign trails outweighs the tens of millions of dollars he easily can drop on any one election. Sure, he goes in front of CPAC, and everybody swoons, but get the cockbite in front of an actual cross-section of the voters, and he sucks like a Dyson.
Question is, will the WH toss him now, or use the face-saving "130-day" special appointment rule to ease him out next month? Whatever, he gone.
He may even be the cause for the loss. If he hadn't make himself the center figure in this election people might not have even noticed what was going on. But he opened his big mouth and the voters said no!
Hadn't made*
The three dots on the right-hand side of one's post are your friend...click on them and an <edit> option pops up, and allows one to correct spelling, etc.
The “Edit” option, is only there for you to use, on your own post. You can’t edit someone else’s. Otherwise, commenting would become useless, because people could change the whole context and meaning of your post.
I do not have the edit option.
The “Edit” option, is only there for you to use, on your own post. You can’t edit someone else’s. Otherwise, commenting would become useless, because people could change the whole context and meaning of your post.
Curious, as I have both the app and Web version open, and in each case the <edit> option is available.
I'm on my phone on an android- are you on an iPhone?
So glad about Wisconsin. Musk needs to go, as everyone in the current administration. What the fat old man is doing is destroying democracy and trying to become a dictator.
trying? Doing everything by Executive Orders IS being a dictator...(or in his case a "little dick-tater!")
Good! This m@thertrucker deserves it. Pardon my language.
I’m an 84 year old great grandmother, and due to this regime in Washington, I use that word. It’s the only thing that’s strong enough to express my feelings.
It is a breath of fresh air to think of what this moment means. So grateful to you and others who are providing real journalism to allow us to navigate this uncharted territory of constitutional crisis. Thank you!
I am a resident of northern Wisconsin. I went door to door for Susan Crawford and I will become more active in the days just ahead. All commentators on this win for a Progressive candidate mention abortion rights and other nationally important issues. What matters most to me is that the voters of Wisconsin stated via this election, that we want Wisconsin for Wisconsinites. We have a lot of rural poverty, drug problems and never ending issues with how we pay for public school education. We have pressing natural resource needs due to climate change and chronic wasting disease in deer. You need to understand just how bad the gerrymandering was in this state. It actually happens that a democratic candidate gets the most votes, and he is prevented by gerrymandering from being duly installed. We were the worst gerrymandered state in the union. Time and time again, when Wisconsinites are surveyed, they want public schools, not vouchers for private schools. They want repaired infrastructure. They want a host of progressive reforms. Heck we have elected a Democratic governor twice in recent years. The republican controlled legislature only wants to focus on national maga issues like immigration and nonexistent voter fraud, and then behave hatefully and punitively towards anyone who is progressive or liberal. they have treated the governor shamefully. I absolutely hated the interference of that Musk in our affairs, and I am so elated that it didn't work.
Forward! is our state motto, and boy are we gearing up to do just that. robyn tonkin
Thanks Robyn!